I chose to get this jacket with the liner and boy was that the right choice for me. Extremely warm, size is true, durable and well made. I was originally surprised at how much this jacket blocks the wind. I needed this jacket to fit well because I didn't need this to get caught on anything while chopping up some wood, moving lumber, walking in the woods or just wearing around town. The standard pockets are great but the internal pouches with Velcro and upper chest pockets with snap buttons is truly appreciated. Quality product from 2 quality companies hands down!